SEC536: Adversarial AI - Penetration Testing AI Systems


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Contact UsAs AI begins to outpace the defenders tasked with containing it, what happens when the very tools we build to protect us become the most sophisticated threat we've ever faced? In this episode, Ciaran and James speak with Chris Cochran, Field CISO and Vice President of AI Security at SANS Institute, to discuss AI and cyber defense. Chris shares his perspective on the rise of AI-driven attacks, why community matters for security leaders under pressure, and what it will take to keep AI safe.
Chris Cochran’s background and work
A selection of Chris’ work, talks and projects
Cybersecurity community and burnout
Why community matters, especially for CISOs dealing with pressure and isolation
AI and cyber threats
What AI mean in practice and what defenders should focus on now.
AI governance and safety
How governments are starting to coordinate around clearer controls for AI


Chris Cochran is a Marine Corps veteran, cybersecurity leader, and strategist with deep expertise in threat intelligence, security operations, emerging technology, and executive leadership.
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James has spent the past 20 years of his life chasing cybercriminals around the Internet and, as a self-professed “massive geek”, has been involved in most cyber security disciplines.
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Respected as a world leader among public authorities for cybersecurity, Ciaran Martin is the UK’s National Cyber Security Centre’s (NCSC) founder and former head.
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