SEC595: Applied Data Science and AI/Machine Learning for Cybersecurity Professionals


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Hosted by SANS CEO James Lyne and Professor Ciaran Martin, Cyber Leaders Podcast brings together the world's top security practitioners for frank, unfiltered dialogue on the challenges defining modern cyber leadership, equipping CISOs and security leaders with the insight and frameworks to lead through constant disruption.


James has spent the past 20 years of his life chasing cybercriminals around the Internet and, as a self-professed “massive geek”, has been involved in most cyber security disciplines.
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Respected as a world leader among public authorities for cybersecurity, Ciaran Martin is the UK’s National Cyber Security Centre’s (NCSC) founder and former head.
Learn moreWhen AI can draft a convincing spear-phishing email in seconds and analyse malware faster than any analyst, what does that leave for the human on the other side of the screen?
If encryption is the foundation of everything you've built — what happens when it breaks?
After 30 years watching nation-states, ransomware gangs, and cybercriminals evolve — what does the person who's seen it all think keeps most organisations vulnerable?
In this special episode of Cyber Leaders, Ciaran and James are joined once again by Tim Conway, Technical Director of Industrial Control Systems Security at SANS, to discuss the ongoing conflict in Iran. As three of the world’s most potent cyber actors clash militarily, Tim shares his expert insight on the cyber dimensions of the conflict, the real-world risks for cyber defenders, and how best to protect critical infrastructure in an increasingly volatile geopolitical landscape.

In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Gadi Evron, Rob Lee and Ed Skoudis to discuss Claude Mythos and the paper co-authored with SANS, the Cloud Security Alliance, [un]prompted and OWASP in response. Gadi, Rob and Ed share their expertise on AI-driven vulnerability discovery, how cyber teams should respond, and what this shift means for the future of security work.
Gadi Evron is the founder and CEO of Knostic and CISO in residence for the Cloud Security Alliance. Rob Lee is Chief AI Officer and Chief of Research at SANS. Ed Skoudis is the founder of the SANS Penetration Testing Curriculum and Counter Hack and President at SANS Technology Institute.

How do you hand your workforce a technology that could transform your business — without handing attackers the keys at the same time? In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Florence Mottay, CISO of Zalando, to discuss the state of cybersecurity in business. Florence shares her expertise on bringing generative AI securely online, how traditional and AI-enabled threats are evolving, and how European organisations are navigating regulation, resilience and risk in a fast-changing landscape.

If an attacker has already been inside your network for months, would you know? In this episode, Ciaran and James are joined by Taz Wake, Digital Forensics & Incident Response expert, to talk about the realities of defending organisations today. Drawing on his background in military intelligence and years on the front line, Taz shares insights on incident response, threat hunting, and the common myths the industry still gets wrong.
Release Date: May 8

Is the CISO role quietly becoming one of the hardest jobs in business — and is the industry doing enough to keep the people in it? In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Jitender Arora, Partner and CISO for Deloitte North and South Europe, to discuss the human side of cyber leadership and how the role is changing. As a veteran of the industry, Jitender shares his perspective on burnout and supporting cyber talent, how the CISO role is shifting towards trust, and how organisations can prepare for AI.
Release Date: May 15

What does it actually take to secure a global life sciences company — and what happens when the weakest link isn't a system, it's a human? In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Dr. Kevin Jones, Group CISO of Bayer and honorary professor at Cardiff University, to discuss cybersecurity across critical industries. Kevin shares his expertise on human behaviour in security, the growing impact of AI on both attacks and defences, and the challenges of protecting complex, real-world systems.
Release Date: May 22

In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Simon Vernon, Head of Research and Development at SANS Institute, to discuss cloud and AI security. As a practitioner in the field, Simon shares his experience building hands-on training, where cloud security still goes wrong, and how AI is changing attacker behaviour and creating new risks.
Release Date: May 29

Who protects the people who find the vulnerabilities that protect the rest of us — and why has the industry made it so hard? In this episode, Ciaran and James sit down with Katie Moussouris, Founder of Luta Security and one of the pioneers of vulnerability research and bug bounties, to discuss how the industry has changed over time. Katie shares her expertise on vulnerability disclosure programmes, researcher protection and equity, and why she still bets on people in an AI-driven world.
Release Date: June 5

As AI begins to outpace the defenders tasked with containing it, what happens when the very tools we build to protect us become the most sophisticated threat we've ever faced? In this episode, Ciaran and James speak with Chris Cochran, Field CISO and Vice President of AI Security at SANS Institute, to discuss AI and cyber defense. Chris shares his perspective on the rise of AI-driven attacks, why community matters for security leaders under pressure, and what it will take to keep AI safe.
Release Date: June 12

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